Forum Configuration Suggestions & Usage; Please read at least once!

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Forum Configuration Suggestions & Usage; Please read at least once!

Post by Horned Toad » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:25 am

This is a new site, and I am not an organizational genius so I would appreciate suggestions on how folks thinks it will work best. What is working, what is not working. What is an ideal arrangement? This post is a bit long but rad through it at least once. Having simply laid out rules is a good idea but this became more of an article, yet still useful. We are still working on a hard fast set of rules but I want to also let this organically develop a bit. SO in that spirit we will be modding and making rules basically just guided by common decency and with the intent of people having a positive experience. Thanks for your patience.

Obviously this is a sale/trade forum. Saxophile.com and it's adminstrators are 100% not responsible for any loss, bad experience, or scam/crime that is experienced or perpetrated by members of the site, which are individuals responsible for their own actions. Given that I suggest that people pay attention to the member and dealer review sections. Post reviews for trustworthy members and dealer, or even non-member individuals you have had good experiences with. It's always a good idea to deal with known entities with reviews, however we will also have newcomers and plenty will be good people as well.

When dealing with new people, or anyone not dealt with before I favor talking with them on the phone and/or vide chat. A lot can be discerned from voice and image that will be missed in email and chat. There are many questions one can arrange before talking that will require lying or self contradiction on the part of a nefarious seller, or a scammy buyer. These strategies would be good to discuss in the Bargain Hunting section.

I highly recommend studying and posting in the logistic sections regarding payment services. If you choose your methods wisely and develop a reliable trade policy regarding how to deal with buyers/sellers for yourself you can avoid a lot of common scams and bad experiences.

Please use the Buying forum's various areas to help yourselves and others develop clear and safe methods of trade on this site. We cannot help you if you get scammed other than outing the scammers and posting the sad stories, but as a group we may be able to prevent much of it from happening. SImple point is; be careful buying and selling. It can be tricky. The site cannot be responsible for what users post or do, but by using it fully you may be able to help yourselves and eachother stay safe.

The rules of forum will be updated in time, but for now #1 rule is BE NICE!

You are welcome to post discussion and response to any for sale, trade or wanted listing. If the original poster does not want discussion they can let you or the mods know and we will delete or stop them, UNLESS the original posting is a scam or simply inaccurate in which case the forum WILL LET YOU KNOW. If you post a relacquered Selmer MK VI tenor with a bell grafted onto it from a Holton Collegiate and the neck of a Stritch alto but represent it as an ORIGINAL SBA soprano with custom factory engraving... yes the forum is going to let you know and those comments will not be deleted to make you happy.

Not everyone is an expert, try to leave your ego at the door, at least partially. It is easy to get overly excited and a bit greedy at the thought of having something old worth money based on something else you saw online, but these instrument markets are a bit nuanced and complicated. There are experts here that will let you know if your representation is correct or not. There will also be those who insist they are experts and are not. keep it cool and be accurate without inflating your ego please. As a board we are striving for accuracy.

Price Discussion:
If someone posts something unremarkable (like a 210xxx MK VI tenor that has been dropped down a flight of stairs and repaired) claiming it is "The legendary MK VI tenor, best in the world!!!" and demands $12,000 for it because "A MK VI just sold for that on Ebay" that would be an appropriate moment to clue that inexperienced seller in to the error of assuming price based on a lack of experience. The forum WILL ALLOW this kind of price debate.

If someone (like myself) posts super rare collector's instruments for sale that are priced very high, we have to have THAT kind of experience to even discuss those prices. Some folks have sold some horns over $20,000 and from that they may start to understand that particular market. If members are saying "wow that's expensive" or discussing WHY they are expensive that is ok, but attacking and badgering people over price is not ok.

The main issue here is that we want this to be a friendly forum. Post and discuss in a positive spirit (unless preventing and outing scammers). For sellers, in the end they get to try to sell their stuff for whatever price they want. Some people want to sell for a high price because this horn belonged to Dad and it is just worth that much to them. We may let them know we think that is unrealistic but in the end it is up to them.

If some inexperienced noob comes in here listing an original NY Meyer for $25 and you think you can snag a deal, I am not complaining, but if folks want to let this person know a realistic value that is also ok (although someone is going to get pissed off :D ) If anyone comments on price, do it in a constructive way, not out of your own frustration or negative feelings. If there is a response to any discussion of price, consider whether the OP wants this discussion to continue and if not, let it go. No one is going to be bullied here.

Practicalities:

Please post a price, or if the item is for trade, or ask people to suggest an appropriate price. One thing that is not only annoying but kind of risky is when people (sort of) post something for sale but really want to take private bids from members. This approach *sucks*. If you want to run an auction there are sites for that, and you are welcome to post those auction links here, but don't try to run an auction with private messaging in a shabby way. And, my suggestion as an experienced buyer is to immediately cease involvement with someone who is doing that. Feel free to report them to admins, as most often these people are either never going to sell this stuff or they are going to scam you. If the seller is just dreaming so hard about getting THE MOST money and continually seeking a higher offer, very often they will do this for many years never selling the horn and wasting everyone's time and frustration.
On the other hand, even more often those who are seeking a higher offer are just looking for soft target, someone is has more passion than sense. Don't be that person.

If posters are ok with expended discussion on their sale items we are fine with that. The posters will let you know if they want it to stop and we will respect that, but it is ok by default.

It's helpful and important to notify of your location, and whether or not you will pay for shipping. Posting picture and videos are always helpful. We do have those features, use them. More later, suggestions appreciated.

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Re: Forum Configuration Suggestions & Usage; Please read at least once!

Post by Horned Toad » Tue Nov 12, 2019 3:40 pm

For business vendors let's just see how that goes. We will be observing the forum and working to keep a balance so the general public does not get buried by rapid and repeat posters, so try to keep a balance yourselves. If it turns out vendors need their own spot we can look into that. For now, let's see how it works.

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